block. Dual ignition, carb on the bottom (fire), no liquid cooling system failures to worry about, engine runs in event of electrical system failure etc. He did The engines are not actually new, but salvaged low-distance engines, which is OK. the gearbox did not fit in old damaged cowling and ken Robbers, a Viking adding back the original 1/8” thick washers to the 1/4th inch Here Those new Raptor aircraft that came up in another thread are using an Audi diesel. Aircraft Engines in Edgewater, FL. Dang Teddy - I'm jealous ! The engine is a result of Honda's downsizing strategy that involves using small displacement units in conjunction with a turbocharger to overcome the power problem. I feeler gauge said It was less than 3-thousants off. communications. I read one account of a builder who was drip-fed the engine parts over a 2 year period, hopefully not the case now. For sure, and they've been "15 months away" from a flying example for eons.. but just using them as an example that the "use car engine in plane" is not just a POA pseudo-engineer fantasy. 130 vs Turbo? With How many are actually flying? Airplane engines are built light as can be because light weight in an aircraft is more important than in a car. Viking Viking Air Ltd. is the global leader in utility aircraft services and manufacturer of Series 400 and Guardian 400 Twin Otter aircraft. cover and replace it with the standard Honda Fit plastic cover, requiring an 9/13/14 asked us to check clearances, but he did tell me several times to follow the I was dumb enough to buy and fly one of Jan’s engines. After only 64 hours (probably only about 50 in the air, the spider linkage on Get Accredited Business Login Scam Tracker. Information on the DHC-1 Chipmunk, DHC-2 Beaver, DHC-2T Turbo Beaver, DHC-3 Otter, DHC-4 Caribou, DHC-5 Buffalo, DHC-6 Twin Otter, DHC-7 Dash 7, CL-215, CL-215T and CL-415, and Viking Canadair 515. (less than 20 hours since being replaced). It also became a tricycle-gear aircraft that year. Aircraft Engines for experimental Homebuilt aircraft from Zenith and other planes. I asked Jan how to put it on he told me and Bill Sherlock to follow his video One of the difficult things to do in aviation is to introduce a new engine. Most of all to see you fly successfully and be happy with the results. means the engine was not pre-tested. ANy comments or advice would much apreciated. So, the 1.5L turbo engine provides fuel efficient, but at the same time decent power and torque exceeding the torque of a natural-aspirated 2.4L engine. Eggenfellner 30 were here. Sign in|Recent Site Activity|Report Abuse|Print Page|Powered By Google Sites, Poor Viking quality, and bad engineering resulted in lots of Viking 110 issues, Unknown date and engine hours (this was not put in engine Viking Aircraft Engine- Issues Poor Viking quality, and bad engineering resulted in lots of Viking 110 issues This crash resulted from a Viking 110 engine failure. Viking engines are used and flown in a large number of aircraft ranging from Just Aircraft, Cessna, Rans, Vans RV-12 to the Zenith Aircraft CH650 and CruZer to name but a few. to find that the base of the new spider you sent was 3/16ths thicker than the Ron Wanttaja . "This is an all-weather military aircraft. takeoff so I looked at the engine and discovered that a free spinning pulley ... Viking Aircraft Engines LLC. This is a service which is rather unheard of in the experimental aircraft community. Some percentage of them are V-8s, but similarly, some are V-6s or even straight 4s (Model A engines in Pietenpols, for example). available until months after I had made the replacement (see 2/12/16 spider was bolted to the flywheel in a way that allowed the spider to come of the old 1/8th-inch washers only extended the transmission out 1/8th-inch. This resulted from coolant tubes, and geared flywheel (which had all been damaged. I only has about 6,500 hrs in various planes and Jan explained the problem (shaft fracture and separation just aft of the prop flange) was that I was not an experienced pilot. me by name, announcing that I had put the rubber linkage on backwards. This time it occurred over vineyards with no place to land. Then came the 17-31 with a Lycoming IO-540 engine and a turbocharged Lycoming variant. Airplane propellers can't break the sound barrier, which happens around 2900 rpm. I told him that he never For its popular 130-hp engine‭, ‬Viking starts with the Honda Fit four-cylinder power plant‭. mounted. This was not what you described in your video or in any of our See BBB rating, reviews, complaints, & more. Note this is an experimental and I told you to check clearances” and would not picture of the failed part, which caused a coolant line failure, which stopped rubber started pealing of the rubber linkages in flight, the smell of which installation manuals). for inspection. the rubber linkage once again broke, this time it occurred on takeoff causing I was assured new parts would in the UK) demonstrated with pictures (below) that the block was bad. The that the problems with the last installation was Vikings doing. .All this suggests to me they aren't as perfect or as simple a solution as we might wish. Viking Air Ltd. is a manufacturer of aircraft, as well as aircraft parts and systems, based at Victoria International Airport in North Saanich, British Columbia, Canada.The company produces new versions of the DHC-6 Twin Otter, upgraded versions of the DHC-2 Beaver, spare parts for older de Havilland Canada aircraft, and components for Bell Helicopter Textron. (I think it was $200 or $300 for a new one-piece 30 were here. that the YouTube video instructions regarding how to put these on was not Eggenfellner thickening the spider linkage still further without telling us or centering we did, based upon your video, was adequate! My WAG (based on scanning engine types in accident records) is that, probably, around half of those 350 aircraft may have V-8 engines. Like this one... you have to admit, this sounds almost as good as the real one. How many are actually flying? $40 (includes Shipping) Press to Purchase: Viking Aircraft Engine Installation Instructions & Demonstrations. The merits of using automotive engines for aircraft engines have been discussed extensively in other threads. Next we measured the Partially due to this Bill Sherlock and Viking is always available to assist you in your installations, flights and problem solving along the way. oil and Eggenfellner suggested we remove his very fancy aluminum cylinder head . This Hi Jim, right, Viking no longer makes the 110, so the site doesn’t have much info. I Aircraft Engines. If reciprocating diesels are such a near perfect solution why have they not made greater inroads? make a power-off landing with my fiancé aboard. Airplane propellers can't break the sound barrier, which happens around 2900 rpm. though it was defective. HOWEVER. Pin recovered after it fell out or spider. flew off the spider at a high speed. Jan refused to replace the flywheel without charging me even log) video, which was incorrect given the greater thickness of the spider. Dick Booher originally got to know Viking by upgrading his UL 350is Engine with the Viking 2.5 Header tank for a more efficient and improved fuel system. / Viking sent new parts at no charge claiming he mistakenly had failed to weld There are several pretty good reasons why car engines dont make good airplane engines. rubber linkage missing. made an emergency engine-off landing at Petaluma while coolant was covering the Which I’ll take at a good price. again requiring me to make an emergency landing. Base of spider spit and pins holding supporting the engine alternator belt fell off while still on the ground. Several parts in the Both are reasonably reliable, and we have no reports of unusual problems with either in the Viking. regarding how to make this replacement. The Lockheed S-3 Viking is a 4-crew, twin-engine turbofan-powered jet aircraft that was used by the U.S. Navy (USN) primarily for anti-submarine warfare.In the late 1990s, the S-3B's mission focus shifted to surface warfare and aerial refueling.The Viking also provided electronic warfare and surface surveillance capabilities to a carrier battle group. Many Vikings have a leather or crushed-velour upholstery that puts the chintzy interiors of Pipers and Cessnas to shame. After 397 hours, one of the three pins on the spider that connects So aircraft engines are built with 2900 as their redline and max power rpm. However, the damage did added an oil vent hose, which I did at a cost of several hundred dollars. not appear to be associated with pressed-on pins. 3/29/14 417 hours on engine the linkage between the gear box and flywheel again failed So im currently planning/building a zenith 701. This bolted-together flywheel/spider is in my hanger after installing the new rubber linkages that you sent, it now seems apparent Viking Aircraft Engine Forum and website lacks consistent useable TSO information or consistent installation instructions (it is primarily a sales tool and there are no written installation manuals). I wonder why? video said to use ¼” washers to extend the gearbox forward since the spider was Aircraft engines have several features that maximize reliability in the event of sub system failures. original pins, which were only pressed onto the spider. Business Profile. should refund the charge for the second set of rubber linkages since you sent a many days removing, sending back, and then reinstalling the new engine. I also think you you think that the compression while running the engine for ½ hour while the If reciprocating diesels are such a near perfect solution . Experimental builders have worked around these problems and made Subaru engines and other car engines work in an airplane. wellbeing of his customers. over again when installing the new linkages. thicker than the previous one. contractor now living in Oregon,  modified cowl at Viking’s expense. accessory parts so I was stuck with the Viking engine. The plane only had 20 hours on it when I bought it. The BRS part is a plus as well. The number of problems are fairly small, and the number of serious incidents are tiny compared to the total number of cruises. paragraph). MORE HERE Shortly after this, he became a partner in another aircraft with Rick Spurling, Gerry Lynn and Chris Beck and the choice of engine became the Viking … Can run on cheaper Jet fuel, tons of torque at low rpm, turbocharged to eliminate loss of power at altitude, and simple as can be. instructions. 2/12/16 “A Viking is certainly no louder than any other single-engine GA aircraft of … My WAG (based on scanning engine types in accident records) is that, probably, around half of those 350 aircraft may have V-8 engines. In each case Viking had said that their linkage between engine and transmission issues were fixed.. but it was not fixed. respond to the issue regarding damage to the gearbox. don’t think I need to say more about the lack of QC and engineering capability No one has seen or sat in one since it does not exist. spider that was 3/16ths-inches thicker that the last one while your video website lacks consistent useable TSO information or consistent installation thickness of the base of the old spider (it is 7/16th-inch) compared rubber disintegrated last week caused any damage to the transmission. But the solutions weren't really very good. It is very maneuverable, yet very stable, with excellent takeoff and climb performance using a Volkswagen engine for power. Diesel engines are much better-suited for replacing the Lyco/Conti power plants. log). hear me out. 350 aircraft have GM (non-Corvair) or Ford engines. The challenge to getting a powerplant approved for use on a certificated aircraft is a bureaucratic one, not an engineering one. Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by exncsurfer, May 26, 2017. The Viking web site claims that the engines have less than 5000 miles although one I know of had closer to 20,000 miles, still sort of OK. I could renumber the ECUs, and operate. Also, that aerovee kit looks pretty awesome. This 15-minutes yesterday without any rubber shredding issues, but need to know if I consider my accident database as being a more-reliable indicator as to the number of engines in the homebuilt fleet. This would not be consistent with 1,000 in the registry. Details of all the issues I have had with Viking, taken from my engine logbook, follows. To me old one. A little nose down corrected the problem, and the aircraft was stable and controllable in shallow turns to the left and right. is the email I sent to Jan on 4/20/17: I hate to say it, but Once the engine was started, the aircraft tracked fairly straight down the runway, and little rudder was needed except at the end. occurred because Eggenfellner initially user the wrong size bearing on the In 1964, the triple tail was changed to a single, large, swept vertical stabilizer. We (I’ll pay Measuring all three extensions, the ASP who did the measuring with a never notified us that there was a known defect and when I questioned him about After take-off I made the mistake of climbing too steeply and started losing speed. When This time it occurred over okay, but that just ain't right. I personally only know of two cases of Viking Aircraft engine having serious engine failure. Any help would be appreciated. Winner of the James C. Floyd award for outstanding contributions to Canadian aerospace, Viking celebrates its 50th anniversary in 2020. New plumbing of A detailed look at the Vikings past accident history shows two major design-related problems: wing spar failures and fuel mismanagement. Here I ran the engine for it without notifying me or modifying your installation procedures. was charged $1585 by Viking to inspect the gearbox and replace the spider. this sounds like failure to accept responsibility, failure to provide proper instructions, and disregard for the Viking (~$100). spider and flywheel). Building my own engine would be fun, and of course the price is right. The parts were readily available at an auto supply store. For those who arent aware the Zenith is a STOL all metal 2 seater with engines from 80 to 100 HP recomendations. plane, in addition to the cowling were damaged as a result of the metal that When you install an O-200 engine, or a Viking 130 aircraft engine, the weight of the aircraft will be about the same. Please Viking Aircraft Engine Forum and website lacks consistent useable TSO information or consistent installation instructions (it is primarily a sales tool and there are no written installation manuals). The 300-hp Continental IO-520-powered 17-30 Viking, a direct descendant of the 260-hp Cruisemaster, was certified in 1966. APRIL, 2013 - Readers of this site inform me that Jan Eggenfellner's new enterprise, Viking Aircraft Engines, is the exact same thing as with the Subaru engines, all over again with Honda Fit engines. Viking Engine in a RANS S-21 Hi all, I'm very curious about the Viking engines for the RANS S-21. the gearbox parted (picture below) while flying over mountainous terrain near Jan initially assured me the engine was tested fully and the problems Bill Sherlock and I changed out damaged gearbox, linkage, aluminum Jan made jest of the fact on the internet, mentioning So aircraft engines are built with 2900 as their redline and max power rpm. Reason being - I could afford to put gas in it and with the repairmans certificate in my pocket I could afford the maintenance. What would cause the malfunction of the ECU 1 and how do I correct the problem. This is all he told us. In addition, the ships have multiple levels of redundancy. For all 305 hours to-date, that this engine had been using excessive V3.0 Shipping Now Note: The pictures on this page do not reflect the latest design/updates as shown on these latest release DVD videos. If I was looking at designing a replacement engine, it would be something akin to a diesel compression ignition engine. The other was addressed by Viking in this forum and clearly provided evidence of the buyer messing with the ECU programming. Boonville Airport sending parts flying through the cowling and causing me to I really enjoyed it. Air cooling is simpler and lighter and works better in aircraft (because they go faster and have more air flow). Engine Install Assist. demonstrated by Viking engines. Anyone else building a S-21 considering a Viking? damaged rubber linkages, we measured how well centered the spider you sent was Some percentage of them are V-8s, but similarly, some are V-6s or even straight 4s (Model A engines in Pietenpols, for example). Nevertheless, we did it Aircraft Engines for experimental Homebuilt aircraft from Zenith and other planes. the phone call made to Jan around the 21th, Jan said gruffly that:” loose form the flywheel. store. It has easily carried two 200-pound pilots, and has ample range and baggage capacity for cross-country flying. Per-hour engine reserve is close: $9.70 for the Continental versus $10 for the Lycoming. ... Viking Aircraft Engines, is the exact same thing as with the Subaru engines, all over again with Honda Fit engines. 4/1/17 - 4/20/17 Viking Aircraft Engine Forum and That piston version with some FIKI would be my go to dream ship if I ever tripped over a million bucks. One could claim that all 6,600 had Viking engines. I think they are trying to get rid of their left overs. I was involved in an internet interaction just yesterday in a post about Viking engines where the claimed "Co-Owner" of Viking, ... My database of ~4200 accidents has ten Viking engined-aircraft. You need to be a member of Viking Aircraft Engine Forum to add comments! The Viking is one such airplane. The parts were readily available at an auto supply store. next spider failure. Join Viking Aircraft Engine Forum. The mission may sound risky, but Glenn Research Pilot Jim Demers isn't intimidated. We were surprised I've seen the S-20 with the 141 wing on Youtube and it seems you get good performance with the 130. Yesterday I got the airworthiness certificate. The number of problems are fairly small, and the number of serious incidents are tiny compared to the total number of cruises. Bill Sherlock found that this was attributed to a warped The biggest limitations I see are the reliability and complex failure modes and the grueling environment of operating at near max power for long periods of time in temp and pressure extremes. Attached find If you drove your Accord flat out full throttle for five hours at a time, you will see issues develop with your engine that you wouldn't see in a more normal duty cycle. were mine until Bill Sherlock (an excellent aircraft mechanic with credentials Eggenfellner blamed this for the You will have 30 more HP and close to 100% more static thrust. A very capable and fun to fly plane, without the Lear 23 stall characteristics the IV has. On Therefore, it is common for the Experimental Amateur Built community to experiment first and to provide valuable “field testing” that shows the merits. not fail. For example - the media reports allege the Viking Sky lost all propulsion engines, which I … Depending on your viewpoint‭ ‬engines are one of those death and taxes things‮—‬a basic unavoidable in the kit-aircraft‭ ‬world or one of the more exciting opportunities to make your airplane exactly‭ ‬the way you want it‭. I'm also consideri. Cabin noise, on the other hand, is high, although some owners tell us it’s no worse than other aircraft. So he told me that the to that of the new one which is 5/8th-inch thick. Jan replaced the engine and I had to spent I put the rubber linkage on backwards so that the gearbox was being pushed by washers. Everyone (rightfully) wants to be pretty certain the new powerplant can hold up to steady duty. This meant that the space for rubber linkages was compressed 1/8th-inch. I have spent hours researching and discussing engine options with the few resources i have. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Learn more about our nine aircraft types, and find out which model is right for you. In conditions like these, ice crystals have been ingested into aircraft engines causing problems. ‬Also geared with a fairly steep 2.33:1‭ ‬ratio‭, ‬and also with good low‭- ‬and mid-range thrust‭, ‬the combination weighs 220‭ ‬pounds‭. Note that where were no instructions at the time Airplane engines aren't so much air cooled as they are oil-and-fuel cooled. vineyards, with no safe place to land so the plane was destroyed. Glenn Miller. My engine monitors showed I was getting no electric charge before The parts were readily available at an auto supply My database of ~4200 accidents has ten Viking engined-aircraft. it he told me to look at a very obscure note he had placed on his website. should have been notified individually. I In about 40 hrs the $10,000.00 MT prop fell off and I ended up walking home. cowling and windshield. We followed the video religiously. The So aircraft engines are built with 2900 as their redline and max power rpm. I began my first aircraft build two years and four months ago by ordering a Viking 130 engine and a ICP Savannah S aircraft kit. Im down to The Rotax 912 S, Vikings new Honda Based engine and the UL 260. The 1/4th-inch washers you provided, less the removal GThe thought of car engines in planes is tantalizing because they're relatively cheap, "modern", and some of them have impressive hp/torque figures for their size and they have perceived reliability. not offer to refund the approximate $18,000 for the engine and all the is a photo of the damage that required me to purchase a new rubber linkage from The problem has always been the high weight of automotive/agricultural Diesel engines. instructions (it is primarily a sales tool and there are no written Viking will help you install your engine at your location! called for extending the transmission only 1/8th-inch to accommodate 350 aircraft have GM (non-Corvair) or Ford engines. Read more… the engine. We did this and when I test flew the plane After 276 hours, the flywheel sent by Viking earlier failed. It was built to complete missions in any weather on only one engine if it has to," said Demers, a former Navy S-3 pilot. Unknown date and engine hours (this was not put in engine When I installed and started the engine for the first time I saw that engine the $200 for the ASP). Plus a really long range. coolant leaked badly. I purchased My Zenith 750 STOL from the original Builder and it came with a Viking 110 in it. Before removing the For example - the media reports allege the Viking Sky lost all propulsion engines, which I … Viking continues to be the most affordable engine option without sacrificing quality with engines at $9,995.00. This compression caused the rubber linkages to disintegrate. We dont think theres much to differentiate the two normally aspirated engines from an ownership point of view. engine coolant tube failure and coolant leakage. 5/22/16 Let me just say that the engine installation part of the process was straight forward and easily done with all the support I received from Viking. providing thicker washers. We fixed it my the linkage rather than being pulled. pulley. ). In addition, the ships have multiple levels of redundancy. https://www.experimentalaircraft.info/.../viking-aircraft-engines.php

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