Shotgun barrels are long for sighting moving targets, not for tightening patterns. IMHO, these are a terrible HD gun as you really can’t aim them, you can only point them. At short distances, it’s Feinstein’s nightmare come true of a gun that can be shot from the hip and put lead on target. I’d LOVE to see Mark Serbu do on of these with that scattergun suppressor and use the extra space to make it a five or six shot. It’s nice. I start them off with some 7.5 or 8 light trap loads, them some 00 buck, then a couple of Magnum slugs. Grips will be the popular replacement item, and there are plenty of options out there. Gun Review: Cobra CA380 – The Cheapest Handgun in America! It is, however, nearly perfect in this role. More fun than a barrel of monkeys — even if they bite your hands a bit — and a real head-turner at the range. Better yet, make it bullpup. Why the repeated trope about the short barrel enlarging the pattern? — or generally reserving them for when whatever’s on the other end of the shotgun is worse than the punishment the grip delivers to your hand. . AOWs are allowed with a stamp. Under N for sale by Ottos Police Supply on GunsAmerica - 937318856 Parkerized finish, 3 shot, with rear pistol grip and folding front grip. The 6.5″ barrel makes for a great shot spread from almost point blank out to 7 yards. The Serbu Super Shorty shotgun was designed by Mark Serbu in the 1990s but has recently seen a rise in popularity. Flipping the grip from folded to vertical orientation is simple and rapid, requiring nothing more than rotating it downwards until it clicks. But here are just a couple notes…, * a shotgun is defined in part as a gun that’s designed to be fired from the shoulder. This thing does not qualify as an SBS in at least some of them (Washington, for one), because it didn’t start its life with a stock, and hence is not considered a shotgun to begin with. Designed to safely store your Serbu Super Shorty shotgun and allow very fast retrieval when needed. I can attest to the shittiness of that pistol grip. Overall: * * * *  The BFG-50A has dual plunger ejectors, a sliding plate extractor, and a hydraulic recoil buffer. We offer a wide selection of firearms, including: handguns, shotguns… I have no idea how to rate the S-S for accuracy. I think the only was to get a “Howdah” gun. This is how transition people from new shooter to new gun owner to someone who will put gun rights as top priority in the next election, Watching the S-man’s reaction when shooting magnum slug = Priceless. For a combat shotgun, whether to carry in the woods or fight bad guys, I would want a semi-auto with an 18-1/2 inch barrel and a magazine that extends all the way to the muzzle. Some states have copied those definitions from NFA into their own state laws, and so they also do not consider Serbu an SBS, but California isn’t one of them. Operating the Super Shorty is fast and seamless and is a true pleasure to shoot. Bet you also didn’t know that you can legally own an SBS or SBR in California, but the catch is they have to be C&R, which means that they were NFA registered at least 50 years ago. Does it really take another five or six hundred bucks, added to the $500 price of the original gun, to make this into what we are seeing? prohibited by Section 33215. Or to reach for when sleeping in a tent in the boonies and you hear something snuffling around outside. Let us know what you think in the comments section! (a) The provisions listed in Section 16590 do not apply to Now if someone out there is making a double with a pistol grip, then it could be made into a similar gadget. Yeah, the stamp is only $5, but still that means your into the gun for over $1,000. The moment you add any stock, folding or otherwise, it’s an SBS. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. It’d also make it shorter overall since there’s no need to make room for the action. The 10-round Saiga mags have a pretty pronounced curve, and it seems like that front grip or your hand would whack the mag every time you racked it. On the other hand, it’s going to be useless much past 10-15 yards other than with slugs, and without sights it’s going to be hard to hit with slugs at much range anyway. For suggestions, collaborations, or requests, contact [email protected], Your email address will not be published. — but the factory grip just sucks. How does AOW classification on the federal level exempt it? Howdy . Pretty sure we can legally own these in CA. Good review. Required fields are marked *. There’s another neat hack along these lines: you take a not-shotgun-according-to-ATF shotgun (the one that was manufactured with a pistol grip), put the Raptor bird’s head grip on it, and then trim the barrel down to 14″. You can be a fruit ninja in the day and turn pro shooter at night. And if you could do that without xtra hoops to jump thru other than buying the gun, really cool. Get the best of both worlds; A sawn off Chiappa triple threat. The first thing that comes to my mind when picking up the Serbu is that it’s got to be illegal in several states and require ATF intervention. I like that there’s a contributor from the Great Northwest 17710. The prices have gone up on them quite a bit over the years, though. SUPER-SHORTY holsters are back! The .50 DTC is also available. Period. SERBU SUPER-SHORTY. I’d like to see Serbu come out with a shorty model based on the Ithaca Model 37. I’ve always wanted one of these for shits-n-giggles. I’d actually practice with it. First, yet again I need to thank Sharp Shooting Indoor Range & Gun Shop in Spokane, WA for assisting me with a review. While tactical shotguns, in general, are experiencing a boom, this small shotgun is truly something else. All of the NFA regs and hoops apply, except an AOW is only a $5 tax stamp. © COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. While tactical shotguns, in general, are experiencing a boom, this … And in a pinch, if you do shoot dry it’s quicker to pop a round into the chamber and be ready to go. I’ve personally found the Hogue OverMolded Tamer to be the best of the bunch in terms of “softening”. And does one have to go through the same ol’ red tape with an NFA item as an AOW, or can I go down to my LGS and after a 10 NICS check, walk out with it? The Ithaca is a bottom ejector and I’ve read that they feed and eject the 1.75″ Aguila mini shells fine. The SUPER-SHORTY is based on a Mossberg Maverick (also available on Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 at additional cost) 12-gauge shotgun which came from the factory with a pistol grip. Forget the bird shot. 16590. ATF has allowed the transfer of SSS’s to CA residents from CA SOTs on Form 4’s and has allowed the making of SSS-type AOWs by CA residents on Form 1’s. . Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), as amended, and the regulations The catch is, a sawn-off double is an SBS. Especially a pump. Specifically: “short-barreled shotgun” means any of following: … a firearm that is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell and has a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.”. Now that’s the gun to answer a knock at the door at 2 am with. I own a slightly different AOW, also Rem 870-based with a 12″ barrel. Based on a Mossberg Maverick 12-gauge, the SUPER-SHORTY … It isn’t classified as a Short Barreled Shotgun, but rather as an Any Other Weapon. Prefer Center Target or to take a drive out of town. Meadows, firefighter and gun enthusiast reviews the Serbu Super Shorty. The sound would be deafening and disorienting indoors, you only have a so-so chance of hitting your target. The basic architecture of most of the production models is based on the Mossberg Maverick 88 shotgun, with Mossberg 500 and Remington 870 receivers also available. Overall length with 6.5″ barrel is only 16.5″. The Serbu holds just 3 rounds but for home defense, that’s okay. I put a Speedfeed Birdshead grip on it, didn’t even shoot it once with the same wrist breaker grip that comes on the Serbu as I knew better. It’s shotgun that can literally fit under your pillow and that’s just cool. And as an freak give me 3,5 inch magnum option, http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/271/698/97e.gif. Then guess what, we are back with a review on Serbu Super Shorty. Maybe do some one handed personal clay throwing. Well, there would be hoops. The pattern on the Serbu probably opens up quicker than mine since it is a shorter barrel. As the S-S was created from a firearm with a pistol grip and no shoulder stock, it was never actually a “shotgun” and this is why it cannot be a “Short Barreled Shotgun” or count as a “Weapon made from a shotgun.”. Otherwise it’s a short, lightweight 870 with a vertical foregrip and that’s all good by me. The resulting firearm has an overall length of 26.5″, and hence it’s still not an AOW! But that’s inflation for you. $1,050.00. That bottom pic with the fireball? Ok, pretty cool weapon, but here’s where I get hung up. yes, there is a CA-specific law that exempts federally-defined AOWs from CA’s SBS law. That’s because firearms that ignite shot shells that aren’t designed to be shouldered aren’t considered “shotguns… In the video, the gun is also fired with a stock. MSRP: $1,050 to $1,225 depending on gun (Mossy 500 or Rem 870) and options (such as breacher muzzle device). Because the foregrip folds, this helps make concealing and operating it as a home defense gun that much easier. It surely provides a piece of mind. but the below section of PC exempts those that are AOWs that are properly registered. (v) An unconventional pistol, as prohibited by Section 31500. Again, much of this would be alleviated by an aftermarket grip. I am sure it would work for self defense (there is even a company that makes a holster) but I have a couple other choices up that list, not a discredit to the platform just a personal choice. Gloves wouldn’t be a bad idea, but a better idea would be reserving the slugs for when your friends ask to shoot the SUPER-SHORTY — and they will! issued pursuant thereto. The gun … A Super-Shorty is both an unconventional pistol and an SBS in CA. If one minted this to the underside of an AR how many stamps would they need? Suppose it depends on your own preference. We had to go through a lengthy process to legalize ownership after the original owner passed away without transferring ownership through the $5 tax stamp. The checkering feels nice; grippy, precise, but comfortable[-ish] even when the recoil is slamming it into your hand. It wouldn’t change the classification of the AR at all. It even ran my reloads with only one shell getting a bit stuck in the chamber at the very end, and I rarely bother to resize the brass (it’s typically only run through the same O/U so it isn’t necessary). If money were no object I would love to own a lot of guns that “for me” are just out of my reach and don’t make $$$ sense–this is just such a case…I would much rather spend a Grand on something else but can totally get the attraction here. Updated Serbu Super Shorty Review. I bought one, after shooting it a few times I put a stock on it. Serbu does not pay $200 to make an AOW. Wait, these are made here in Tampa? Sam is an avid firearms enthusiast who loves sharing his knowledge and experience with fellow gunivores. I believe in that case the AR becomes a shoulder stock for the S-S and you’d need to register the S-S as an SBS. HOME OF THE SERBU BFG-50A. The folding foregrip makes the pump-action faster and easier while stabilizing the firearm for more controlled shooting. I wonder if anybody has ever converted something like this to use a removable box magazine, that would hold 5 rounds, or so? In reality… there’s no true soft with the Serbu… just gradations of discomfort. AOWs are basically firearms that don’t fit into a box, such as pistols with foregrips and pen guns. I gave them a try and found that they delivered when Serbu … The 26-inch button rifle… However, because of the way it’s manufactured, it doesn’t qualify as a short-barreled shotgun, it’s actually labeled as “any other weapon (AOW) by the government. Serbu SS12. If I had a task of making this perfect, I’d ditch the pump and just make it double barrel (or triple… or quadruple… when barrels are this short the extra weight is not that big), so that you can unload it as fast as semi-auto. Quick view Compare. I’d guess 90% of the shot hit that sketchy looking, blocky character above. As used in this part, “generally prohibited weapon” means And therefore when you shorten the barrel, it’s still not a shotgun, short-barreled or otherwise. buy here. Built from either a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870 that started life with a pistol grip, the S-S is considered an “Any Other Weapon” (AOW) under NFA law, meaning a $5 tax stamp instead of $200 as with other NFA items. It was used as a snake gun. The Super Shorty is among the most unique firearms on the market but I believe they serve a very functional purpose. (I have a private range on my property so I don’t worry about the gray area of what constitutes possession of letting someone else shoot it). It isn’t a “pistol” or “revolver” because of the smooth bore, so even if it was “designed to be fired when held in one hand” it’s going to qualify as an AOW. Once again, they were kind enough to give me a little alone time in their south bay for some shooting (gun) and shooting (camera). One is the original and the second is a custom job by Mark Serbu and holds 3 in the magazine, one in the chamber. I don’t regret mine but it is kind of a novelty gun. A ‘concealable’ short barrel shotgun with a 2nd handgrip? Myself, I would like a folding stock that folds to the port side, so as not to interfere wit the ejection port etc. They have used a receiver that accepts Saiga mags to run 5-, 10-, or even 12-round removable magazines, but it isn’t readily available for order on the Serbu website at this time. But several states have blanket bans on SBS. We’ve recently seen new and exciting models like the Black Aces Tactical and the Mossberg Shockwave but there’s something unique about the Serbu Firearms shotgun. Last time it was use of their south bay (with lights out) for the flash hider shootout. Couldn’t imagine it getting any better with a tiny 870. I believe that in Canada that would be an Unrestricted Weapon, meaning it could be carried in the woods as a bear gun, or in an bush plane, etc. I’ve known about the Serbu for some time, and they seem pretty neat guns. Trigger: * * * *  I remember describing the feeling of 00 buck with that thing as “Dolph Lundgren karate chopping between your thumb and index finger”. Turn it 90 degrees and it looks like a nuke going off! $500ish What am I missing? The Hogue has a more severe angle to it so eye-level aiming is more of a challenge. Does anyone make anything like this in a 410, or anything for that matter for personal defense or ??? I gave them a try and found that they delivered when Serbu … If Serbu makes an Ithaca shorty, it’d be able to hold five of those mini shells and that’s five shots of pretty formidable firepower when the whole package is taken into account. I suppose you could add the SIG brace, though. I've run multiple group buys for different items. Note that all this (as well as Jeremy’s detailed explanation) pertains to Federal law only. It’s a blast to shoot in every sense. For nearly 20 years, Mark Serbu’s SUPER-SHORTY has been the standard-bearer among the super-compact shotgun set. I can’t believe this has been around for so long, & I didn’t know about it. The plastic is hard and slick, and the shape manages to direct all of the recoil force into the web of your hand and the meaty part of your thumb there. The American Gun culture has … Imagine, ( for example ) a 30 year house painter who didn’t know about painting with air compressor ! You’d have to file a Form 1 to turn it into an SBS if you wanted to chop the barrel down under 18.5″…. With just a little practice a tube mag has unlimited capacity. That’s at least one more shell right there. Let’s clear something up right off the bat. Still would want another 3″ added to the business end, giving you a true 3 round capacity. It costs over $1,000. I put 75 rounds of this birdshot through the S-S in one sitting and my hands were still mostly functional. They’ve modified the action bars, magazine tube, and more…done some welding (bracket from barrel to support mag tube, action bar re-working and VFG)…etc to get it this sort. He built me that as a gator gun when I’m kayaking. It locks firmly in vertical orientation, held in place by a stiff spring, and pulling down on it allows it to clear the locking notch and fold flat to get it out of the way. Gun … Sharp Shooting is my indoor range of choice around here because I’ve known the folks there for a long time and they’re top notch. The stockless pistol grip shotgun, imho, is strictly limited to close, house or tent, range for self defense. Actually, these laws are really confusing and little of what you wrote is technically accurate haha. I’m aware of SKT Industries AOW holster but suspect that they are out of business as I have not been It's also ambidextrous and comes with a tool to convert it to left or right hand use. I’ve got two of the Mossberg versions. Once Form 4s are available for 3-file, maybe it’ll get shorter. Something similar to the COP derringer would be nice. Worth noting, though, as it’s an easy thing to do with such a small, light, pistol-gripped shotgun. Just look at those spread patterns…. Why would I not buy an 870, for around $300 and then pay $200 tax stamp to turn it into an SBR? Much to my surprise, the max dram #4 buckshot from S-S wasn’t so bad, either. So maybe it’s the short barrel and maybe it’s a larger ID (I didn’t measure), but it damn sure spreads out fast. New In Box Serbu Super Shorty 12 gauge shotgun. The only way I would want to have one in the pipe, is if it were like the old Win. Barrel Length: 6.5″ to 13.75″ I’ll be visiting the Mica range more often for long-range work (was there a couple weeks ago hitting the 1/2 mile steel with my AR), since longer ranges like that can be a tricky to come by out in the woods. Yeah Vern-a Judge or a Governor with a 6″ barrel…, I see S&W governor does not have a 6″ barrel-so just the 6 and half inch Taurus…. I dunno…with only 2+1 capacity, I’ll rather just stick with a sawn-off double. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. …The vertical foregrip puts a normal pistol (any normal handgun w/ rifled barrel) into the AOW category because it makes it so it’s no longer designed to be fired with one hand, which means it’s no longer technically a pistol. The Pachmayr Vindicator Presentation grip helps absorb some of the brutality. It hung up only once at the end of the shooting session which I chalk up to non-resized brass on my reloads in addition to a new shooter pulling the trigger. If one of these crosses the border into California we might fall into the sea. Thanks again. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Because of this, the SUPER-SHORTY … Well, that’s partially true as the Super Shorty is technically classified as a Class 3 NFA Weapon / Title 2 Firearm. So if it starts its life with a pistol grip, it’s not a shotgun. Unlike a pistol, which is a Restricted Weapon, and thus must be in a safe or at the range. The gun … But inside of a small room or hallway, the S-S would be as intimidating and devastating as it is maneuverable. Looks like a fair bit of gunsmithing (welding) and the like went into it to “stuff” so much in a small package to be sure. Bringing You Honest, Reliable, and Engaging Firearm News and Reviews. Since they started off life as a regular shotgun and then modified, they … Sure. Nice to check in with something I wanted to check-out, and strangely the magazine capacity was a factor that was overlooked due to the drool factor. I believe it is an H&R HandyGun. Home, office, or vehicle defense? any of the following: Low recoil buckshot is what I recommend to my customers. But that’s not to say that the Serbu isn’t accurate, it’s actually surprisingly on target once you get the hang of it. Gone is the standard, horizontal grip and in its place is a vertical foregrip. A pistol would be better or a regular 18″ barrel shotgun. Period. As an added bonus, the Shorty is usually built around either a Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 receiver, so you know the major components are of quality. Well, today our old buddy Hickok45 shows us and awesome piece, the ‘Super Shorty’ made by Serbu, Firearms inc. What this is, is a 12 gauge shotgun, that’s been modified to be only 16 to … Ooh! Shooting a sweet AOW from Serbu firearms, the SUPER-SHORTY. Does anybody make a Model 37 action that comes as a pistol-grip only shotgun? A bit of bear defense in the woods? * even without the vertical foregrip, it would still be an Any Other Weapon due to its smooth bore and, as you said, size that makes it capable of being concealed on your person (under 26″ OAL). Plus, as it’s likely the shortest pump shotgun on the market, it may just fit in your briefcase. Serbu Super Shorty 12g 6.5" Barrel Mossberg AOW- NFA Paperwork Required. It weighs in at 23 pounds, empty. Let’s take a closer look and see what all the buzz is about. It’s such a single purpose weapon that I’ve never bothered to buy one. able to contact them via phone or email over past six months. The price seems a bit excessive to me. We’re not talking about shotguns in the purest, legal sense. Hickok has a video on this. The Serbu Super Shorty shotgun was designed by Mark Serbu in the 1990s but has recently seen a rise in popularity. Also, AUGrad, you may be overestimating just how short you can make the gun without modifying it like Serbu has. (t) A short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun, as Basically, it works like a pump gun should. This is the same as the FAS1-SBD handgun safe with a holster designed to suppert your Serbu Super Shorty shotgun. A full size 500 pump with the barrel shortened to 14 inches and either a youth model stock or one of those telescoping AR style stocks would be a dandy house gun. they are a licensed 07 manufacturer with an SOT. Looks like a tremendous amount of fun, and has some practical use as a home-defense gun. It’s a fun range toy and yes, I do let friends and family shoot it. States can and do ban or otherwise regulate SBS separately, and they may have their own definition of what it is, which is not necessarily identical to ATF’s. Overall Length: As short as 16.5″ I have seen purpose built double barreled 12 and 20 bore pistols back in the 60’s. Better than average for a pump gun. Accuracy: * * * * * or zero stars I’m not sure how much of the cost is related to NFA expenses and whether there are additional hoops, taxes, etc as a manufacturer in addition to the excise taxes and such that apply to normal firearms…. It’s possible to run the S-S with the foregrip folded, but it isn’t the design intention and it’ll abrade the bottom of the receiver a bit. On one hand, with its super rapid shot spread it supports what’s usually a myth that you can’t miss with a shotgun. Needs linked 12GA shot shells hanging down from underneath + buttstock. Headlight and super shorty. As for the “firearm” category into which those pistol-gripped, smooth-bore guns with OALs above 26″ fall, they would not be NFA-regulated even with a vertical forward grip since, again, that only applies to guns considered to be “pistols” or “revolvers” (handguns w/ rifled barrels). You might try the Shockwave Raptor mare’s leg grip, or take a lower hold on the pistol grip in order to transfer more of the recoil into the palm of your hand. Don’t know if it’s ridged, collapsible, or folding. It’s probably not practical, you would need to weld some kind of magazine well on to the receiver. “I’m really not sure if most people buy these just for screwing around and having fun or if it’s for more practical purposes, but I do know that the S-S is capable of filling both roles. 4 barrels in 12 gauge, would be heavier than the pump but would have double the capacity and be shorter. Just don’t shoulder it while anyone’s looking (aside from the target, that is). This is the shortest shotgun on the market version, but they will make it longer at your request and the capacity goes up accordingly. The machining here is smooth and clean and the radius on the OD is a nice touch. The Shorty claims to be the shortest pump action shotgun on the market today. Not quite the power of a full size shell, but staying inside that 10 foot range….yowza…. There ain’t a lot of shotguns that’ll fit in a backpack, but the Serbu SUPER-SHORTY will perform the trick with room to spare. Easy solution–Aguila Minishells. Fits all models of the SUPER-SHORTY except for the Breacher. I love a shotgun. Oh, and stick a cheap but very bright and narrowly focused LED underneath the barrel, as a kind of a crude laser pointer (with this kind of spread you don’t need a laser). Title 26 of the United States Code, which is in the possession of a I always wanted to have one. Three shots without having to work a pump. I purchased a mossy 500 with the same one attached back when I didn’t know any better. Wouldn’t that vertical foregrip and a long Saiga magazine interfere with each other when you tried to pump it? .”. I understand what you’re saying here, and maybe the barrel ID is larger at 6.5″ than it is in a typical cylinder bore barrel, but I’ve shot a lot of shotguns and I’ve never seen shot spread this wide this fast before. If you really wanted to you could probably order it with a stock instead, which would make it an SBS ($200 tax). The best magazine-fed, semi-auto, gas-operated .50 BMG rifle. Especially my reloads, which are pretty light since they’re usually just run through an over/under for sporting clays and introducing new shooters to shotguns. Hello! This little honey comes straight from the wonderfully demented mind of Mark Serbu, who appears to have been influenced by one Ricardo Tubbs from "Miami Vice". You’d do so if your state outright bans SBS, but doesn’t ban this kind of AOW. A fire-breathing, midget dragon that just might have some practical purpose as well. I’m really not sure if most people buy these just for screwing around and having fun or if it’s for more practical purposes, but I do know that the S-S is capable of filling both roles. If you keep the barrels long enough that this is not the case, then it is neither AOW nor a shotgun nor a pistol (nor, obviously, a rifle) – it’s classed simply as “weapon” by ATF, and doesn’t have any special regulations other than those applying to firearms in general. Overall the SUPER-SHORTY is a kick to shoot and I had a blast testing it out. The $5 AOW tax, is of course for the transfer. This one is based on the Remington 870 with a pistol grip and 6.5" barrel. Usually loaded with rubber, and lead being loaded as a back-up in pistol. Luckily, there’s no shortage of aftermarket options such as those from Hogue, Knoxx, and others. In contrast, in federal law, a shotgun must have a stock (“designed to be fired from the shoulder”). None of it makes any sense anyway. It was black powder so was not a “firearm”. Sure, 2+1 rounds may be a little limiting if you’re on Yogi’s pic-a-nic menu, and shooting slugs out of this thing may just hurt more than being mauled by a bear, but overall I still think it’s a practical application for the S-S. And longer-barreled versions do hold more shells. (I do have them wear mechanix Impact gloves to take the sting out). Brownell’s has a Mossy magazine conversion kit that might work, perhaps Dyspeptic could comment…, Mossberg 500 Shotgun Kit w/ Magazine, 10 Rds, http://www.brownells.com/shotgun-parts/magazine-tube-parts/magazine-tube-extensions/mossberg-500-magazine-conversion-kits-prod57376.aspx.

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